Episode #95: Joslyn Gallop on Recruiting

🛩 Recruiting at Cruising Altitude with Joslynn Gallop – Embry-Riddle Volleyball 

Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University is world-famous for producing pilots and aerospace leaders — but it’s also home to one of the most competitive NCAA Division II volleyball programs in the country. In this Significant Recruiting episode, Head Coach Joslynn Gallop takes us inside the Sunshine State Conference — a league many consider the toughest in all of D2 volleyball.

For 20 years, Joslynn has built a program that thrives on fierce competition, tough love, and a little well-placed trash talk. A former Division I standout at San Jose State, she knows what elite talent looks like and isn’t afraid to challenge her players to reach new heights.

We talk recruiting strategy, what it takes to stand out in one of the most talent-rich conferences in the nation, and why Embry-Riddle is so much more than just a university for pilots and engineers.

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just the support without the pressure. I think everything has so much pressure on it these days that, our young student athletes don't eat it because burnout's a real thing. And that's what I hate is when people stop doing something'cause they fell outta love with it. I mean, I've been doing this for 20 years here and it's the same love I had on day one. Buckle up because today we're cleared for takeoff here on significant recruiting. That short clip was from my guest, Jocelyn Gallup, the head volleyball coach talking about her school, Emory Riddle Aeronautical University, a place the world knows for pilots in aerospace, but as you'll hear, it's also home to one of the most competitive volleyball programs in NCAA division two. For 20 years, Jocelyn has led her team and what many believe is the toughest volleyball conference in the country. The Sunshine State Conference, where every match feels like a high altitude dog fight. Her program soars on a straight shooter approach, a love for intense competition. And yes, a little well placed trash talk as a former division one standout at San Jose State she knows exactly what the best looks like, and she isn't afraid to push her players to reach cruising altitude and then find a little extra thrust to climb even higher. Okay, enough of the flight metaphors. Today we're talking about recruiting at Emory Riddle, what she looks for in student athletes, and why this university is far more than a training ground for pilots and engineers. If you wanna learn more about me, my books, or how I help families navigate the recruiting journey, visit coach matt rogers.com and don't forget to subscribe to my free weekly newsletter. Now let's get airborne with Coach Jocelyn Gallup. Coach, welcome back. I want to dive into recruiting. This has become my world. I love talking about recruiting. I love hearing how coaches recruit. I work so hard to get kids to think about how they're perceived and the impression that they're, giving out when, even when they. Don't think anybody's watching. Mm-hmm. Is there one thing a recruit can do when they're visiting you or you're visiting them in that first 10 seconds of the meeting that really leaves a lasting impression on you? Being outgoing is a huge piece, right? We're trying to do something here together, and being quiet and reserved is hard, we need to be approachable and outgoing and. Be prepared, know about Embry Riddle, know about myself, the staff, the player, it's really easy to find information. I don't need you to read my bio, as far as like spit it back to me, but it's good to be engaged. Having that engagement right away is super helpful. Absolutely. Tell me how you feel about this. I remember early on as a coach and I, you know, I was a young coach like you when I started and I remember recruiting a kid and I was about to hang up the phone with them after our first call and they said, talk to you soon, Matt. And I don't know why that deflated me and. Got to my nerves, but I grew up where we called every coach, coach. Mm-hmm. You know, we gave them that respect. When that young man called me by my first name, I, it, it did something to me and I don't know why. I don't know it was'cause of my age or, or what, how do you feel about that when, when a kid, I don't know if you've ever had that happen. Do kids call you by your first name? Do they call you coach? What do you prefer? So I am coach. When I first started at 26 here at Amber Riddle, it was very strange, when you first start coaching'cause I'm your age. That's right. Right? Yeah. When I was at San Jose State, when I was at St. Mary's, I was a year or two older than them. And so it was a little bit strange to be like coach. Yeah. Um. But I think it's very much a sign of respect and it's a great way to, you know, be able to just have, build that connection. You know? Yes, I am Jocelyn. Um, but to you, I am coach and you know, when you grow up and leave here, I have a, I had a former player call me Jocelyn the other day. I was like, that was weird. I heard it outta her mouth. Right. Yeah. I think it's just a sign of respect and I think it's, it's a great way to show that, you know? Yeah, yeah. I do too. I, and, and I, maybe it's old school thinking'cause there's so many coaches, you know, I, my, when my daughter stayed, started playing club volleyball, I said. You're gonna, it was a male coach. I said, yes, coach. Yes sir. That's, that's what you do. And it wasn't 20 minutes into practice, her first practice as a 12-year-old, he goes, stop it. Stop calling me coach. Stop calling me sir. Stop saying yes coach. No coach. You know, this is my name. I don't need all the other junk. And I was like, wow. It just kind of walked me back.'cause. I wanted my daughter to respect him, and he Right, he went the other way. And, and that's fair to point out if that's what he wanted. Yeah. I think it's always, um, it's not fair so much like we get to be called Coach, so they need to learn one name when we've gotta learn all these things. I'm like, you guys have it easy. Just use it. Like, this is your one easy thing in life. Like, take advantage of it, you know, because we've gotta learn everybody's name. Yeah. That, that's why I, I just tell my players, you know, don't take it the wrong way. If I call you Fred or George, I'm still figuring it out, but I'll learn your real name. But you, you might be Fred or George for the first, first week or two. Yeah. Right. Especially when you got, you know, you're a high school coach, you got 60 kids in the gym and Yeah. Trying to learn 60 different kids' names. Um, I love talking about the board. Talk to me about your recruiting board. How, how far, how, where do you start your recruitment? How early are you looking at kids? How early will a kid get on your, your metaphorical board or your real recruiting board? Right, so for us at the level we're playing at division two, kind of elite, division two, we're definitely, um, two years out. Um, maybe a little bit further depending on. What's around, right? Like we know a lot more Orlando teams and players because we see them at a younger age, you know, whether we're working camps or whatnot. Right. Uh, but yeah, I think it's, it's always the goal to be ahead of the game as much as you can. Like, we don't wanna wait too long'cause we're gonna lose players and we don't wanna go too early because we've gotta see are they a fit for us or are they going division one, you know? So that's kind of always the game. Um. But for us currently, like it's, it's summer of 25, we're definitely identifying 20 sevens. We have our board, um, and we've looked at some 20 eights. So definitely kind of that two years. Yeah. Is, are you paying attention to high school and club? Are, are you, do you weigh one over the other? Do you like kids that play both? Are you okay with that kid that plays volleyball in the fall, basketball in the winter, softball in the, in the spring? Where are you at with that in terms of how you're identifying kids? So for us in recruiting, a lot is done through the club system. Um, I love the multi-sport athlete. I think that's a huge benefit to life in general. Um, I'm urging my, my own children to stay in multiple sports, right? Um, you learn a lot of different things with different coaches, different body functions, different, you know, um, levels that you have to get to. Uh, but yeah, we would. Definitely identify high school or club. We watch a little bit of high school. Honestly, it's really hard within, and I am sure other college coaches have said this when we are in season and they're in season Sure. Our schedules don't so much align. Right, right. Um, and so yeah, a lot of the club. And if you don't play club, you know, being able to get yourself out there, you know, coming, going to camps and being able to do the work, it can still be done. Yeah. If you don't play club, uh, but you've, and we're gonna talk about this a lot, I'm sure. You gotta do the work you do. Right. Yeah. Coaches can't find 50,000 kids, right? We can't find what we don't have access to. You're, you're gonna be lucky if you can watch three, 400 kids play this year, you know? Yeah. You wanna see as many talented kids as you can, and that means they have to do the work to you as well. Um. Going back to your board a little bit. Um, I have families every day it seems like, will say, Matt, you know, college coaches don't start recruiting till our junior year. Why do we have to do anything before that? What do you say to that family who's waiting till their kids turning 16, 17 and then they're starting their recruitment? Are there things they're losing that. That that you, you wish they would think about a little bit before that? Yeah. I think the biggest part of that is the progression. Right? If we look at a young lady who is, you know, 14, 15, what are they doing when they're 15, 16? What are they doing when they're 16, 17? Seeing the progression. Is exciting because okay, this young lady is really invested in the time that she's working at her craft. Right, right. Um, you know what? Growth spurt or muscle development or just the light bulb finally went off. Right. Right. Being able to see that progression weighs a lot, especially for us and other coaches who are looking at the 16-year-old. We wanna, we, we have probably seen you at 15. Now we wanna see you at 16. You know, so it's not just the one and done. Yeah. It's the longevity of the, the process, that progression of growth. Yeah. I saw you play last year. I was really hoping I'd see a progression of you playing faster and, and, and being more explosive and, uh, putting some muscle on whatever that may be. And if you don't see that, is that a red flag? Like, what do you waste? What are you doing? You know, wasting your time. Um, you know, but when it comes out as a positive, it's great to see and it's great to work with. Like we, I had a conversation, I'm in Oregon last summer. We have a girl who's like, just dying to come here. You need to spend this summer weightlifting. I don't care if you play volleyball, whatever. You need to jump higher and hit the ball harder. She li like was foaming at the mouth like, I got you. I got you. We've committed her and she's amazing. That's correct. In one year she did it and she was like, that's what you want outta me. I'll go do it. And that's, and that's what I preach to parents is when you can get a Jocelyn Gallup to tell your daughter at 14 or 15, Hey, this is what you're doing really well. Mm-hmm. But to play at this level, this is what you've gotta do. And I wanna see you do this over the next year. There's no better person to get that advice from. There's no better person to motivate you. And if you can't be motivated and take that advice, you, you're gonna struggle to play in college. Right. Yeah. I mean, isn't that, that's what you wanna hear and that's it's, you can accept that tough conversation, that tough love. You know, we call loving. I'm loving on you. Tough right now is what we say. Yeah. Like I'm loving on you. Tough. I've gotta tell you some things that you may not love. Yeah. I'm a little love you. Tough right now. I'm gonna tell you what we need to see and let's do it. You know, and I say, let's do it because I'm here to help you do it. You know, or I'm here to guide you to do it, you know? Um, but that's what parents accept or like, be, um, receptive to it. Kind of grab it, give it a big hug, and like, it's okay. We can, we can do these hard things, you know? I don't want you to get another a hundred emails and another a hundred phone calls this week. Um, and I apologize if that happens. That's on me. Um, you can yell at me. How do you feel about when a kid reaches out to you and says, coach, I'm really excited about Emory Riddle. Would you, would you guys take a couple minutes and watch my film and gimme some feedback? I, I wanna know if I can play for your level. How do you guys feel about that? How do you react to that? I think that's the perfect way to say it. I think, if you don't mind, like, I'm really interested and tell me why you're interested in Ember Riddle. I wanna go to Embry Riddle and become an art and design major. Not, not here, like, it's not gonna happen, right? But like, I'm really excited about this and this at the school. You know, I've, I've gone back and watched some of your video. This is what I don't know if people know like all of our matches are archived on our website. Like, go, can you play here? You know, do you, do you, are we good enough or are we too good? You know, or whatever. Um, and do a little bit of the homework, but tell me that you're excited to be here for a reason, and then give me some feedback. And when we give you feedback like. Again, take it in, hug it, love on it a little bit. Right. And accept it because it may not be, oh, you're great. We'll, love to have you like those. That's not gonna happen every time, you know? Yeah, yeah. I, I tell kids there's three victories when you reach out to a coach asking for that. The first victory is they actually give you feed. You got a college coach to tell you what they think of your game and give you some feedback about your growth, right? The second thing is they like you, they wanna follow you. They wanna keep in touch with you, they wanna see more. That's a victory. And the third thing is when they say, yeah, you're probably not a good fit for us. You know, you probably can play bigger, play smaller, but right now, you know, our roster's full. I go, that's a victory too, because now. Your energy, your time, your mental capacity can go to another school, right? That coach was honest with you that this isn't a good fit. So I love that response that you're open to, that you want to give feedback and the key is, show me what you're gonna do with the feedback, right? Mm-hmm. For sure. Yeah. It's that action, like take the action, right? Yeah. So again, holler at me in two weeks. If you start getting a hundred more phone calls and emails, I apologize. That's on me. Um. But I, I, I just don't think families, and especially that shy 16, 17-year-old, they feel like they're burdening you and they don't understand that if you can really play, you've just, you've just put a gift on that coach's. In their hands saying, I didn't have to find you. I didn't have to hunt you down. I didn't have to convince you to look at Emory Riddle. You did 80% of the job for me. So yeah, for three minutes we'll look at your film and give you some feedback. Right, right. Yes, yes. Definitely. If I never have to run a camp, but I never have to go to a club tournament and all these kids, these great kids just come to me, life, life would be a lot easier. Right. Yeah, that would be great. Just all those six, four middles lining up at your door. I That would be cool. I'll work on that for you. Um, how do you weigh, and this is a little deeper conversation question here for you. How do you weigh a player's physical skills in comparison to their mental, emotional maturity? Are the things you're looking for that get you excited or maybe are red flags from the physical to the emotional? You know, um, we talk about it as emotional intelligence. And just being able to be aware of yourself and how your, where you are with your thoughts and where you are with your accepting the feedback and that kind of stuff. Um, you know, I think it's, it's, it's a two part. I think it's, it's one that, you know, we can coach and work. Really well with someone who is receptive and coachable and that may weigh a little bit over, you know, some of the athleticism, the skill part, right? Because you can say, yes ma'am, yes sir. Or, okay coach, I got you. And go try to do it. That's awesome. That goes a long ways, right? Yeah. Um, you can touch nine, six doing that. Cool. We're gonna get you to nine eight though, like, because we're gonna push you, right? That's right. But if you just have the physical and the unwilling to keep getting better and keep like re being receptive and you know, being able to be within your emotional control, then that to me is like going, um, this girl's either hot or cold. We don't want hot or cold because you're not gonna be hot every night. That's right. Right. We'll take kind of that average, that lukewarm, that finding your average and be right there consistently. That's right. It's like athleticism kind of outweighs skill. Emotional, intelligent, kind of outweighs skill because we can work with this person and develop them and help them grow where this person's like, Hmm, well I've got it already. That's right. You know? Yeah. And so that kind of is where that answer is., I love the conversation we had about that young lady where you talked about we can't save everybody. Mm-hmm. Right. Are there things, let me, let me rephrase this. Have there been players in the past that you've recruited and had in your program? You don't have to name any names or anything like that, but are there things that have changed what you're looking for when you're at an AAU tournament, you're at a high school match and you're watching kids play, are there things that have been affected by your past that you're like, I know what I don't want. I know if I see that again, I'm not gonna recruit it. Absolutely. And a lot of them aren't, even when they're on the volleyball court. Okay. It's in the huddle. It's how they're talking to their parents or their grandparents on the sideline. Are they ready for their next match or are they going, mom, bring me my water. Go get your own water. Like I know, drives me crazy. It's your volleyball game that you're being played, you're playing in, right? Like all of those intangible things are like going, well, I'm not gonna get your water. For you. So like, can we have that emotional intelligence? Like we gotta grow up and we gotta mature, you know? Yeah. Um, in those things, um, as a, as on the court, you know, are you, how are you doing? And this is something I'll college coaches say. What's your response when you fail? What's your response when you hit a ball out? What's your response when the set is awful. That's right. Right? Because it happens. We're all human. You know, are you attacking your teammate? Are you going, Hey man, I, I got you, or, get me the next one. You know, those aren't, that has nothing to do with the ball. It has everything to do with the person. Yeah. I love it. I want to just run through the positions really quick with you and, and kind of get your, a sentence or two on each position that you're looking for. Talk to me about what gets you excited about a pin hitter. What do you want to see your pin hitters do? If you're gonna say, Hey, come visit, we, we take risks. Tell me what that looks like. What does a, what does a risk look like? Don't tip on game point. Hard. What the heck? Might as well try it. You know? That's right. Um, if we're gonna go down, let's go down, swing it, go big. Like let's go big, like take the risk. Um, you know, there's, there's a time and place for things like, let's, and our mentality is like, go like aggressive, aggressive, aggressive. And if you don't see that, it's time to back off. We'll help you. Back off, but you have the green light until told otherwise. Does that come from analytics or just from your history or just how you wanna play? I would say all of it. Okay. You know, you don't win very many games when you tip on Game point. That's right. That's a stat out there. Yeah. Right? Yeah. You know, and we want, I think aggressive play and the backing from the coaching staff gives these girls confidence and that's all we want them to have. Like, go for it, girl. Like, yes. And when if we don't make it happen. Okay. Yeah. It's not a life and death situation guys. You know. Yeah. But so I would say every, all of it, and that's just as a, as a competitor, that's what I want. Like, let's, let's go hard. That's right. That's right. And if you're not doing it in practice, you're not gonna, you're not gonna be ready to do it in the games, for sure. Right. Yeah. How about, how about your middles? What do you love seeing in your middles that get you giggly inside? I love middles. I played middle. So middles at Embry Riddle have a tough, tough job, I gotta tell you that. Okay. Yeah. Um, like let's have a blocking mindset. It's all about shutting down the other team again, that aggressive side and get set balls. I've talked to middles recruiting, and it's like, it's one of the hardest positions to recruit, I believe, because they're not getting set enough. That's right. And there's ways to communicate to your setter like, Hey, I'm here. Set me the ball. You know, without being like, how does it, how does it really sound when you're at San Jose State in the nineties? Just like that. Just like that, I promise. Just like that. I promise I was such a good human. I was like, hey. Can you set me, that's, can I have the number to your setter when you played at San Jose State? No, you can't have her name. Um, but, you know, be, be like a person there. Don't just run around in circles and work your tail off and get no reward. Right. Um, but you have to sometimes ask for it, demand it, like request, like, Hey, I'm here. You know?'cause it, it's an easy place to just become this blocker. Yeah. All right. I'm a basketball coach, so knock me on my tail here if I, if I don't understand this, but I watch so much fricking club volleyball. It makes my eyes bleed. Um, it drives me crazy when the middle and the setter or the outside, when they're blocking or a foot apart, there's no unity. They're not making that big wall. Does the coaching affect. How you recruit when you see they haven't been taught some really basic principles that you know they've gotta have to succeed at your level. Patience to lead to success. Right. I'll go back to that. Okay. So I see, I hear the words, but I see the facial expressions. Tell me something else. Blocking is so hard. Yes. Okay. Um, reading the other team and what they're doing is so hard. Yes. What you come to Emory Riddle with will not be how you leave here. Correct. And I will not say anything bad about where you're coming from, but you need to practice it more. Right. Like, um, so patience. Success will come with patience and repetition until we can't jump anymore. Yes. But does it affect your ability to recruit a kid if you see they're being coached in a way that's so, especially if maybe you've seen them two or three times mm-hmm. Over the course of multiple tournaments and you're like, this isn't being taught.'cause it never gets any better. For sure. Is it the kid, is it the coach? Do you have those questions where you're like, okay, are they being taught the right way and they're just not doing it, or Right. How, how does that affect you? So, and yeah, it does. And there, there may be a pass at some point, right? So we, in our defensive system, we swing block, and if you've never learned how to swing block, you've never read the game as a swing blocker, okay? And if you're not doing it this way, you can learn it after a long, long time. Patience. Right. Um, but at some point we may pass because you're not getting high enough, you're not fast enough. Like you're, the game speed may take you out. Right. Right. Because if it's clearly happening over and over and over, maybe the speed of the game is the pace of the game. Like where we're gonna play is not, you're not able to adapt to that. Love it. Alright, I'm gonna save setters for last. Okay. Talk to me about DS LiRo. What, what do you want to see? What do, what gets you excited when you see a kid do this? That can, they can pull this off, or they're already doing this at this pace. You know, our job description for our liberos is quite simple. Serve, receive, dig, and set the second ball. That's all. Yeah. How easy. It's so easy. It's, to me, it's the toughest position there is. Right? But take the risk on, you know, it, be the leader in the back row. Take the ball as a passer, make a good pass. You know, dig balls. You gotta read the game. You know, you have to sacrifice to get the tip. We're not playing tip defense, we're reading it, and we're laying out and putting our body on the line. And then take the risk on the set. Like put the girl at one foot off, you know, not 10. Like we're, we're keeping the ball in at 10. Yeah. Right. And our hitter's mentality is, go hard, coach, show me. Go hard. Go hard, go hard. That's right. I can't go hard on 10 feet off the net. That's right. So it's just taking the little bit of risk when you're setting. Um, but really, I, I love the Libero position. I think it's such a. It's such a feisty little scrappy, you know, it's like that person that just doesn't have anything but just selfless, like, I'm just a giver.'cause they're not scoring any points. That's right. They're helping the team score points and so they're just giving and giving and giving. I, I don't know if this is because I was a point guard in basketball, but I love. I love a great labo that can make that beautiful pass outta system. Mm-hmm. And, you know, shape it and, and put it on the right, put it on the left and you know, you can just see that it's like the pin hitter. It's just like, oh my, the heaven's opened up'cause it was perfect. Right, right. Does that get you excited when you see that, that vision and that ability to place that blind placement, does that help you? I mean, it's, it's a huge part of our system and it's a huge piece of, you know, where we're playing the game. You know, as far as we're playing this game in transition, in rally a whole bunch, you know, different than the men's game. Men's game is served past that kill, right? Women's game, serve, past set, rally, rally, dig, rally. Oh, back and forth and back and forth, and doing it. Over and over and over. Repeatedly. Good. Right. Repeatedly Great. Is putting us at a different level. Yeah. I love it. Okay. Give me the setters, because you've had a long relationship with setters as a middle. I have. What, what do you, what do you love about setters? I love our current setters, by the way. Good. All three of them are amazing. Um. And they're all very different. Uh, but I, I want the person who can be tough, you know, they're kind of like the dog. They're the ones that's out there, like, you know, in sports we talk about we need a dog, we need someone that just is level headed, keeps their cool, you know, but directs traffic, you know, bosses, people around in the appropriate way and just, just so relentless. They have to be able to have very thick skin and a very fast let go. Right. We have to be able to take it because hitters are like, that was off the net. That was too tight. That was too far outside. We'll be a better hitter. Yeah. Right. That's what I would say if I was a setter. So I shouldn't be a, um, like, don't lemme do that. Um, but you're getting, you're getting critiqued every single touch. Right. You've gotta be able to take it and let it go next fall. Okay. Whatever you said, I don't even hear what you said, and I'll get you the next one. You know? Yeah. Um, but they're, they're the heart and soul. They're our quarterback. I mean, all these things we know, like they're just the people that really get us going. If a kid has all those toughness qualities, but is quiet and isn't a great vocal communicator, great leader. Does everything really well, can they play for you if the, the vocality isn't there? Yeah. I wouldn't say that our setters are over the top personality wise as far as like, you know, the outspoken and this, um, but they're reliable. Yeah. You know, I know what I'm getting. At each one of our set. I know every single day I'm getting this outta Ashlyn. And if she's not quite there yet because something's going on, or her day or her test or whatever, we can have a real quick conversation like, Hey girl, I need you. Like we need you. Like, are you ready to do this? Do you need a minute? Take a deep breath. Like, let's get back on track. And they're just tough, you know? They don't have to be the, the, you know. In the box. Right. They gotta be the steady Eddie. You know? They gotta be the one that we know what's gonna come outta them. Right. I love that too. Yeah. Last two questions. I am 16 years old. I want to be a pilot, I want to be an engineer. I'd love to play for you. What advice would you give me to start that journey? Uh, email, reach out. Have your stuff together on your email. Know about us. Know what you want, tell me what you want. You know, this is all about living out the dream, right? We grow up as young student athletes and we have this dream, like, I wanna be this person. Tell me about it. And if it works out, I wanna help you get there. Right? Yeah. And, um, and share video. Don't just share the great video share, give you everything video, like share some stuff where you fail. Yeah. Share some stuff where you succeed, right? Yeah. And if those two things catch us, those three things catch us, we're gonna come see you. Yeah. Yeah. I always tell kids I love watching film and I'm already thinking about how I'm gonna coach you for the next four years. Right. That, that gets me excited about recruiting you. When I already see, gosh, I could turn this lump of. Into something beautiful. You know, there's, there's, there's something there to work with. You know, there's something there, you know? Yeah. And we all see it and we all see it differently and we, you know, what I have in my head and what my assistant coach has in his, like, we just kind of put it all together and it, yeah, it's very exciting. Recruiting's fun. All right. I'm gonna put you in a gym. It's a pretty good size gym, but every club volleyball parent in the country is gonna be in this gym. What advice do you give them? And it doesn't have to be volleyball advice, it doesn't even have to be recruiting advice, but what advice do you give them about this journey that they're on?'cause their daughter wants to play and they've been told they gotta play club and gotta go through this$5,000 a year journey. That really is$10,000 a year journey. Mm-hmm. What do we tell these parents? What do you, what do they need to know outside of relax? Relax. Um, I would say like, just enjoy it. I know that's really cliche, right? Um, I would say support without pressure. Okay. Um, talking to recruits now in the 27 class, for example, there, you know, June 15th happened and there's all these commitments. Okay. Um, be patient like it's, it's okay, right? Like just without the pressure. Like be supportive, you know, and, you know, just be positive with the whole experience. Win or lose referees, you know, he tightness in the facility, we can complain about a lot of things. Can I still complain about a$17 acai bowl? Yeah, I know, man. And a$90 sweatshirt, can I still complain about that? You can, but do it in your car. Don't do it in the gym, right? Um, no. I, I do love recruiting and I love going to the big gyms and seeing and listening to parents. Yeah. That's entertainment. If you want just to be entertained for a day, do that. Um, but yeah, just support without pressure is a big thing. You know, whether your daughter's starting or not starting the coach, trust the coach. The coach has a reason. The coach has a why, right? Yeah. It's not, it's not a bad thing if your coach sits the bench, my son sits the bench in basketball, like, it's okay. Get better, like, you know, um, but just the support without the pressure. I think everything has so much pressure on it these days that, you know, our young student athletes don't eat it because burnout's a real thing. And that's what I hate is when people stop doing something'cause they fell outta love with it. I mean, I've been doing this for 20 years here and it's the same love I had on day one. Can you and I put a commission together to at least shorten the club season? Can, can we, can we work on that? I don't understand why it starts in January. I'm not quite sure about that. Yeah, I don't know why there has to be club tournaments every weekend. Yeah. Dunno about that. I don't either. Um, and going back to having two boys, I'm so glad I didn't have a girl.'cause I don't have to have a girl in club volleyball. I go to the club tournaments, but I don't have to watch my own kid and be there for all that. I think if, I think if you have a girl now that I've gotten to know you, I think that beautiful brown hair of yours would be bright white if you had a daughter going through this journey. Hey, it's turning. I got, I got evidence right here. I that's why I wear my hat'cause I have to cover it now because hide, that's no white. Yeah. Yeah. But no, I, I think that, you know, so yeah, just. Keep doing it. There's a place, there's a place for everybody. You just gotta do the work. Great advice. Yeah. Coach, you've given me more time than I deserve. It was. As fun of a conversation, if not more than I expected. You're so great. You are a hidden gem at a university that's a hidden gem. I know it's not so much in Florida in that league that you're in'cause you guys kick a lot of butt down there. But I'm just so happy that all the families across the country now have a better idea of what Emory Real is. They know how great of a coach you are and how great of a person you are. So. Thank you so much for doing this. Thank you for the invite. And that's a wrap for today's episode of Significant Recruiting with Coach Jocelyn Gallup. Her straight shooter approach, love for competition and belief in developing the whole athlete is exactly why her Emry Riddle program continues to stand out. Don't forget, part one of our conversation was all about our coaching journey on the Significant Coaching podcast. So if you miss that, go back and give it a listen and be sure to subscribe to my free weekly newsletter@coachmattrogers.com. You'll get my latest blogs, podcast episodes, and recruiting tips right in your inbox. 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