Episode #105: Sue Webber on Recruiting

 🎙️  Bridging the Gap: Sue Webber on Playing, Coaching & Recruiting 

 In this episode of the Significant Recruiting Podcast, I sit down with Sue Webber — former Division I player, coach, and now a leader in the volleyball recruiting space. 🌟 

Sue shares her unique perspective from every angle of the game: what it takes to succeed as an athlete, how coaches evaluate recruits, and the practical steps families can take to stand out. Her advice is direct, insightful, and full of takeaways for athletes, parents, and coaches alike. 

👉 Follow Sue on Instagram @coachsue11 and check out her videos on YouTube and Facebook for more recruiting wisdom. You can also connect with her professionally on LinkedIn: Sue Webber. 

⚡ Don’t forget — the Recruit’s Journals are now available for Volleyball, Baseball, Basketball, and Softball, with the Soccer Recruit’s Journal dropping later this week. These tools are built to keep you focused, organized, and confident throughout your recruiting journey. 

Find them all at CoachMattRogers.com

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Thing to think about is what kind of coach do I want or what do I perform best under? When I was getting recruited, there was coaches that I was like, oh, no way. I can't, I would not fit well with them. Our personalities would not get along. So it could be the best school out there. I could have started every match, but I would've been miserable, yeah. Because I'm not in the right environment. Welcome back to The Significant Recruiting Podcast. I'm your host, Matt Rogers. You just heard a clip from today's guest, my old friend Sue Weber, a former division one volleyball player and coach who now works at the center of the volleyball recruiting world and plays a big role as a partner with USA Volleyball. Sue brings a unique perspective bridging her own experiences as an athlete with her deep involvement in helping families navigate the recruiting process. Before we dive in, make sure you hit that subscribe button, and send in your comments. Your support keeps these conversations going and helps more families hear from incredible voices like Sue Weber. And don't forget the volleyball, baseball, basketball, and softball recruits journals are now available with the soccer recruits journal dropping later this week. These are perfect companion pieces to the significant recruiting book, the Playbook for Prospective College Athletes. You can find them all@coachmattrogers.com. I also encourage you to follow Coach Weber on Instagram at Coach Sue 11 and check out our videos on YouTube and Facebook. They are great resources for athletes, parents, and coaches. You can also connect with her professionally on LinkedIn at Sue Weber. Now let's get into today's conversation with Coach Sue Weber. Sue Weber, so great to see you. It's been a long time. Thanks for being on the Significant Coaching podcast. Thanks for having me. I, you texted me and I was like, yes, absolutely. Let's get on and see what we can do here and help families and athletes who are looking to play at that next level. Absolutely. I loved working with you. We worked at NCSA for a few years together and we did a bunch of stuff with USA volleyball together and Yeah. And I wanted to have Jan'cause I was. I keep sending your videos. You make these great videos on what a division one athlete looks like. Division two, division three N ai. And I find myself sending them to recruits all the time. It's like I need to get around'cause you evaluate kids so well and you break it down so well. So I know you're playing lots of, you got lots of hats. Let's talk about where you've been and where you've gone. So you were a division one player, played at U of I, university of Illinois. You were a division one assistant coach. You've been a director of volleyball recruiting. How has each role shaped the way recruiting today? Yeah, I think, starting from the beginning like we were just talk, talking a little bit about our backgrounds of being from a small town Illinois kid, right? Yep. And not a Chicago like big suburb kid. And having these large clubs that I played for I was at a little club and it was actually, it's very unique because we had three hubs. So it was Springfield, Koki area, and then Champagne. And the three best players from each hub would play together. So we all went to Vision One, which is awesome. That's right. But it's very unique where we didn't really practice with each other. So it was just like throwing the best, it was like an all star club team. So that's, very different than these. These days of club tournaments and practice schedules and whatever else. But that's shaping me into, you don't always have to be like the biggest and brightest I guess you could say, but you have to put in the work. And you have to, especially from a smaller town, you have to use all of your resources, not just your high school coach, your club coach, but other people that are around you and tap into everything. And then going from. Starting every single game as a high school and club player to sit on the bench. My first year right in Illinois, getting in here every once in a while, I had to prove myself again and I had to work for it. I think, coming from that small town atmosphere, you just keep plugging along and you try to prove yourself every day. Isn't it crazy what that, that league has always been good. The big ten's always been great with volleyball, but isn't it crazy almost how dominant it's become? And now it's coast to coast, right? Yeah. Like when I played, I'm aging myself here. Nebraska wasn't even in the conference yet. No, it wasn't. Penn State, obviously was a powerhouse when I was playing. We were, Illinois was pretty good. We were, you guys were great. Yeah. All the time. And it's just, even now I'm six feet tall and I would be tiny in the Big 10. You would be. I'm like, I better, I was a good pastor. I might be AO now. Yeah. So just like the change of the game even from 10, 20 years ago, the recruiting aspect of it the physicality of the game of the players and I think also the knowledge, like the, there's a lot more. Volleyball knowledge, people out there, the volleyball IQ is getting so high and now with professional leagues in the States and it's great. It's just all over the place. I think I watched eight hours of volleyball on Sunday. Yeah. On tv, which is, yeah, my wife and I do too. It's constantly on. Yep. Which is awesome. And it seems like the top 10 teams are always playing each other. It's Texas, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Stanford, it seems like you can watch really great volleyball all the time now. What's the biggest difference for you and what was going on recruiting, let's just say 10 years ago when you started at NCSA and you got out of coaching. What's changed with how coaches recruit today? Yeah, I always kid too is like when I first started with NCSA, we did have the online videos and the profiles, right? When I was playing and getting recruited, it was like BHS tapes, right? Type writers, like way back. So even that's crazy to me. And when NCSA started in 2000, there was no YouTube, there was no huddle, there was no videos online. So I think. The ability for college coaches to see more people, more athletes has really increased over the last 10, 15 years for sure. Which kind of levels the playing field a little bit. Yeah. To where, you don't always have to recruit locally. I think the Big 10, we were talking about that a lot of Midwest kids when I was playing. Now there's California and Hawaii and international, and it just like levels the playing field for. The distance, but it also makes it harder for the kids because there's more people out there. That's right. More eyes on athletes that would have a good fit for that school. So I think video has been a huge increase. Over the years. That's number one. But then there's always the new rules and NIL and the transfer portal and all these things that have come about in probably the last five years, honestly. Which has really played, a lot of uncertainty, I guess you could say. That's what we hear a lot from our families. What does this mean? What is, how does this affect me? As a recruit, but also how does it affect the college coaches? With roster limits and different scholarship options. So there's a lot that has changed in the last five, 10 years. If you go back now, I was a head coach for the first time, a head college coach in 2001. Yeah. Yeah. I would bet, and I may be wrong, tell me if I'm wrong about this, but I would bet less than 5% of the families of recruits out there. Understood that it was their job to reach out to coaches. That being found was almost impossible. It was maybe 10% of kids would get found somewhere. Yeah. Do you feel like that's changed in terms of the education and how many more families understand they've got to do some outreach, they've gotta send an email, they gotta make a phone call. Do you think that's been a big part of the change? I think so I think people are leaning in on recruiting help whether that's, like I mentioned from recruiting services or from their club director or club recruiting coordinator or high school coach, maybe played, so I would say a lot more advice is getting, presented to families, and you're right, you're absolutely right. Like the 2% of PE of the 2% are gonna get exposure and get seen. But it's those tweeners, it's the, I could play division one, but maybe I'd be better fit for two division two or NAIA that have that maybe they didn't know to reach out before and now they're getting the education, the help that they get they need to get out there. Yeah. It's pretty amazing. When I was a, when I started, I was a division three coach. I might hear from three to five kids a week. Yep. I was talking to a D three coach the other day. And I think he got 28 recruiting emails during our interview. During our conversation. During the conversation, he got done. He goes, yeah. He goes, Matt, we just got done talk about recruiting. I just got 28 emails since we started talking. I was like, oh my gosh. It's crazy. Yeah. But it's fun. But again, I think it makes it harder on recruits because there's such a volume now and yeah. Being specific is so important, knowing, doing your research on the schools, making sure you're reaching out to the programs that really you think you can play there. Fit everything about you, not just athletes, for sure. And I think you said it's much harder on the athletes, it's harder on the coaches too, honestly. And it is a relationship. I always kid of it's that you will set my rose this week. Will you keep in contact with me? So it's kind like a dating game, which is weird, but to say, but it is very much a relationship and you're gonna be with this athlete and you're gonna be with this coach for hopefully four years, that's the big plan. But I also think it's. Nerve wracking on the college coach side to, to offer a scholarship to a kid and not know if they're gonna say yes or no or ghost you. That's right. So there's, you gotta put yourself in both shoes or both sides of the of the story here. Which I have been, I've been on both sides, which is unique, insight into both. Yeah. You have and you're, you have such a knowledge base that I think is just it's wonderful. I told you before we started, I, I'm constantly sending the videos that you've done Yeah. To my recruits because you do such a good job of showing a five minute video and saying. This is why this kid is a division one recruit. It's the speed. It's not just the size, it's right. It's how they use their speed. It's how they use their athleticism. It's how they use their size and their IQ and their eq. So I just appreciate that. Anybody out there, just Google Sue Weber volleyball videos and you're gonna learn a lot just by, I appreciate that. Let's dive into volleyball because there's I work with a ton of volleyball kids. I don't know how that happened, but I've, probably 50% of my clientele is volleyball. I just, I work with a ton of'em. What are, what do you think the three top things coaches are looking for in a volleyball recruit these days? Are there two or three things that just jump out to you? This is what the, this is what separates one kid from another. Yeah. And I think there's always the skill. You have to have the skills. You have to have what they're looking for. You have to have this, a certain level of talent. But also like academics, a lot of schools are looking at the academic fit as well. But it, once I have 2, 5, 10 kids, they're both jumping similar. They both pass they're both six rotation players. How do I make that difference? The differentiating decision. Yeah. It's communication number. I would say that's a huge part of it is do you not just communicate a lot, but do you communicate well and are you thoughtful? Are are you asking the right questions? Do you wanna learn, that type thing and advance. But I think the inquisitiveness of the communication is. Is important in the recruiting process how you are as a person. I always kid about this too, is when I'm watching a kid watching a game, I come early, the tournament's off schedule per usual, right? And the kid's line judging, right? Are you paying attention? Are you just goofing around on your phone? Are you throwing your water bottle to your mom and dad to fill it up? Those things are, will carry over into your future life as well. Yeah. I think if you're a good teammate, if you're a good. Person those things carry over and make that decision. So those are two, they're just more like personalized communication, good person. And then just overall like effort, I would say too. Yeah, things that you, that don't take talent, right? You can be on time, you can be a good communicator. You can put in the effort level. So those are key on making the final decision. I don't think. Families understand this and I catch myself at my daughter's club matches. I don't think families understand how much body language in a moment. Will affect a coach's decision and go, okay, I'm done with her. Yeah. She's six one. Yeah. She can touch ten three, but gosh, I just, how she dealt with her coach there, how she dealt with her teammates there. How she keeps looking over at her parents every time she makes a mistake. Or needs that validation from her parents for so many coaches. It's okay, I got 20 more of you to watch later today. I can cross you off my list or I'm gonna drop you way down on my list. Or I'll need to watch you again. Yeah. See how you would mature as a player. And at the division one, you're watching kids when they're 13, 14 years old. They're very different when they're 15, 16, 17. And the game is different. I always talk about eros are usually the last to get recruited. Sometimes. And because it's easy to dig a 14 year old's hit, it's not as easy to dig an 18 year old's hit. That's right. So I think you're spot on though the family aspect of it or un understanding that the body language dynamics and just how you interact with people. And especially kids these days they wanna text. They wanna send emojis or memes. They don't wanna really talk to you face to face sometimes. And, but I do think in a team sport, so important to have that, the ability to communicate well. And on the parent side, if you're, sometimes I'm like, who's the parent of this child? That's right. That's why I said I'm constantly checking myself. I'm like, oh. Sit down, be quiet. Shut your trap. So I'll look at how tall mom and dad are too, but I'll also look at how loud they are sometimes as well. Good or bad. That's right. There's multiple sides of what you can look by, what you can evaluate by seeing a parrot. I'm gonna do a shameless plug here. It's not intentional, but I wrote, I just wrote all these journals. I just wrote the softball journal and the volleyball recruits journal, and I did it because I'm finding so many 15 and 16 and 17 year olds. Haven't thought about what kind of student athlete am I? What kind of teammate am I? What kind of coach do I need? And I wrote the journal with those prompts so the kids can start thinking about it. How much are you facing and seeing when you're working with a family and you're working with a kid? We, they're so used to texting, like you said, they're so used to answering with one word or an emoji or something that doesn't even spell the word. You don't, it's almost like you need a translator. How much of that is affecting a recruit when they're trying to communicate with a coach or they're simply not prepared when a coach calls? Yeah. And I would say the coaching dynamic, the coaches have gotten younger too, right? So it's like the, you have as a recruit, is this a younger coach? Am I gonna, do I want a younger coach because I can speak their language a little bit more. Or do I want a, an older coach that's more like maybe like my parents who are like my trainer or whatever, right? So I think that's a very important. Thing to think about is what kind of coach do I want or what do I perform best under? When I was getting recruited, there was coaches that I was like, oh, no way. I can't, I would not fit well with them. Our personalities would not get along. So it could be the best school out there. I could have started every match, but I would've been miserable, yeah. Because I'm not in the right environment. So those are very good questions to ask, and I think. What's cool about, I'll give a little shameless plug too with IMG and NCSA is we do have this mental performance and how to face fear and nutrition training even. All those things we didn't have when we were growing up. That's right. As athletes. But it's a very important part of the game for sure. It's huge and I think, we keep talking about the volume of recruits out there these days. Yeah. Compared to the opportunities out there. I mean we're hearing co division one coaches say out loud, we are no longer recruiting freshmen. Yeah. They're coming out and saying it, so I think to be able to separate yourself as a recruit, you can't just say I'm gonna work on my ability and my character. There's so many layers to give you that edge where it doesn't have to consume your time. It can be 10 minutes a day. It can be. 40 minutes a week where you're working on some of those things. There's so many great resources that you guys offer that, families just, they need to pay attention to. What are some of the common mistakes families are making when they're starting the recruiting process? Yeah, when they're starting and, everybody's journey is different, the timeline is totally different. College coaches recruit at different times, like I mentioned, when division one will start watching at 13, really young. But division three, sometimes they don't. They need to know what your scores are or if you can get accepted to the school before they can really pay attention to you sometimes, right? I think. Sometimes people start later than they they think, oh no, I can't talk to coaches until June 15th or September one, or whatever the, for volleyball it's June 15th, but the recruiting process starts way before that, and you could do research. On schools you can watch on TV now, which is amazing. You can compare yourself, I think I say that in the videos yeah, you do go watch division three. Go watch division one and see are, am I similar to one or the other? So I think they just think that they're gonna get recruited or coaches are gonna find them. Like we had mentioned earlier versus putting in some work earlier on in the process and doing some research. It's so essential. What do you, and this, I'll put some context in. This is one of my pet peeves. What do you say to a high school coach? A high school athletic director a club coach that tells a kid you don't have to worry about recruiting till your junior year, after your junior year. What do you say to them? Oh that's tough. Because who, everybody's journey is different. Who are they to say that they shouldn't start researching something earlier than later or start looking into something. If you wanna be a doctor. Or a veterinarian or whatever, you're not gonna just be like, oh, I'll just be one one day. Yeah, you're gonna have to do some research and prepping and take tests and prep for those tests and whatever else. So I think it's, I don't wanna say naive, but I think it is just. Don't fit everybody into one bucket. Yeah. Not everybody has the same journey as, as maybe they did as a coach or player too. Yeah. Yeah. It, for me it really comes down to the early bird gets the worm. The earlier you do anything, when do we tell our kids, Hey, you've got a paper due in October, let's start it the day before. Exactly. Exactly. We don't go, let's stress you out. Really. Who? Yeah. Versus trying to get some, yeah, we, we've got a new home, we have to move by this date. Let's start looking the day before, the week before. It just doesn't make any sense in any other part of our life. And the earlier we start our recruitment, the more options we have. And sometimes it's not reaching out to every single coach out there. It's exactly, it's doing the research, it's doing the dirty work behind the scenes. So you feel prepared, I think we talk about that all the time, is you're not gonna go into a test and cram the night before. You're gonna prepare. You're gonna learn, you're gonna read the book, you're gonna do some practice testing before you go into it. Right on. And there with you. Yeah. It's so powerful to, to be able to start early and you don't have to work fast, then you don't have to make quick decisions. You can take your time and evaluate and compare and contrast, like you always say. Let's take that typical 15-year-old volleyball player. What do they need to understand about the process in terms of just the little things that they can start doing at the end of their sophomore year or the beginning of their sophomore year that you recommend? Sophomore year is I think you see it in club too, right? There'd be a lot of 12 and 13 teams, year old teams, and then you're only having one or two, maybe 17, 18-year-old teams, because around that sophomore year, you figure out, you make that decision of. Is this real for me or am I like, this is just for fun. And for fun is fine. I think go play for fun. Play every sport you can. I was a four sport athlete in high school. Yeah, I would recommend that to anyone, honestly. But don't play just because your mom played in college. Don't continue on. Make it your decision and your process. So I know that's hard for a 15, 16-year-old to do is ask those tough questions to yourself. But I think you'll be much happier in the future if you're doing it because you want to do it. And take some ownership in that. Isn't it funny if you go watch a high school match or a club match, there's always that one kid that's just that is a gym rat. Yeah, they still wanna hit after the batch is over. They just played three like eight hours of volleyball. They're like, that's, can you stop me again? They can't get enough of it. And college coaches love that because if you're already ready to get off the floor, if you're already so excited to go get on your phone and be done with volleyball. What's it gonna be like when it's your life, when it's, 10, 12 months out of the year? So you gotta love it. So I love the advice. If it's not there for you, maybe play, but maybe college isn't for you. Yeah. And yeah, I think that's a tough question sometimes. Yeah. To ask yourself. But it's a very. It's important for both sides. The college coach doesn't want you if you don't wanna be there, and you're gonna be miserable if you don't wanna be there. So let's make the right decision. We just had all those questions in my house, the last, and they're important. It's either way, it's, there is no right or wrong answer either. That's what I always say to people. This is your life. These are your decisions, these are your questions. Don't do it.'cause I want you to do it. Yeah, I want you to make your own decision. But you were kidding around about gym rats. I'll tell you a story about Aaron Virtue, who is one of my teammates at Illinois. She was the Olympic assistant coach for, she's the head coach at Michigan right now. Yeah, she would. She try working on her jump serve all the time. And her shoes her feet would sweat so much that her shoes would squeak and there's water all over it. And we're like, Erin, get the heck outta the gym. But you can see where she went in life and with her coaching experience. So I think that's so funny to Yeah. Say Gym Red. I'm like, oh, that's there hurt you. I think that's where parents struggle with the evaluation of their own child is. They see talent. They see size. Yeah. They hear, I love it. I love being with my teammates. But when you gotta get them to, go outside and work on their, serve off the garage door for 10 minutes or right, or pass for 10 minutes, and they go, nah, I don't really wanna do that. There's a sign there that maybe the higher levels may not be right for them. Maybe something lower for them might be better. Yeah, for sure. And I think I had the really cool opportunity to go to the Paralympic and Olympic Hall of Fame celebration with Ruth Nelson, which I wanna recommend you for the next podcast or Yeah, set me up. Let's do it. Yeah, she'd be great. Those are like the one, Carrie Walsh was there. We were, Ruth was accepting the honor for Flo Hyman, which is amazing. And, bode Miller was there with ski, with skiing, and there's just so many crazy people there that Very cool. I thought I was decent. I was like 1% of the 1% going to division one, but these people are a next level. Yeah. And I think there's always the next level. So if you think you can skate by as a high school athlete, there's always someone else out there working their butt off. For sure. That's right. I just had dinner with a guy who won four Stanley Cups, at the NHL level. He didn't get drafted. He had to go overseas and play as a chump for two years, and finally got recognized and got a chance to come back to the States. And he played for 15 years and won four Stanley Cups. Yeah. And he goes, Matt, I was the smallest guy on every team I ever played on, but I had to prove that I had the heart, I had to prove I had the work ethic, and I loved it so much. I would do anything to get better. Yeah. And those are kids out there too. Maybe not be the biggest or smallest or best, but they have the work ethic that will, they will outwork everyone. Exactly. And every coach loves those kids. You just, you can't have enough of those kids in your program'cause they're hard to find. Yeah. Let's finish with something that, that. Probably the biggest question you and I both have to deal with throughout our days, and that's the idea of travel and club volleyball and travel ball, whatever sport it is. Yeah. And I love asking this question to college coaches because it's always a different answer than I think what parents expect. Okay. Or maybe a little bit. Different than what they expect. What is your, when you see the value of travel volleyball, you talked about being a four sport athlete. If you're a four sport athlete, it's really tough. Tough to play travel of anything. For sure. What is your advice to families that are going through that decision? They got a kid that's great at volleyball, a great at basketball, great at softball track. They love playing three sports, so it's really hard to also play club volleyball in the spring and summer. If you're doing all that. What's your advice to them when they're thinking about making their kid or their kid giving up those sports they love? How valuable is travel volleyball and club volleyball for that kid to get recruited? Yeah. And I think, there's a balance, right? You have to get seen, you have to be out there playing, and coaches need to be able to evaluate you live. A lot of the stuff we do at nnc SA is on video, right? Just because there's just so many kids out there, we can't go watch every single one, right? And that's similar to the college coach side. I think club is important. It's, it may not have to go to 20 national tournaments and all of them because if you're on that coach's radar because you've done your research and you've emailed that coach and you've had some communication, hopefully you know that different levels or how however it happens, that coach will then come see you. So when I was a college coach, I would make my recruiting calendar. By the people that I am recruiting, not just, I'm gonna go to this tournament all, every single year. If the kid wasn't there that I wasn't recruiting, I'm not gonna go to that tournament. I think. There's some out there. I'll do the disclaimer that are like nationals, right? You're gonna go to nationals?'cause every single person is basically there, but, I do think you can play for a local, more local club or regional club. And if you do more work on the communication side, college coaches will still see you. We'll still get there. So there's a balance. You do have to, I think you do have to play. Yeah. Because you have to get evaluated and seen, are you on the first team here or on the fourth team here though? That's another whole ball of wax or a question we could go into. But I think the idea is if you see a kid on film, it's wow, there's something special there. Yeah. And maybe they're not gonna be playing at nationals at Dallas, or they're not gonna be in Atlanta for that tournament. You're gonna go to. They're, you're gonna try and find a way to learn more about that kid, see them play some shape or form, right? Yeah, for sure. For sure. And that's where, the video is your trailer to the movie. I don't know if I say that in the videos either, but I always say it. Yeah. That's your, it's a great metaphor. Yeah. That's your buzz, what is it? Sizzle video, whatever you wanna call it these days. Yeah. To get that coach's attention. And that's why I always say, put your best. Clips first, because you wanna grab that attention so then they can go watch the movie wherever you are. Yeah. Yeah. Coach, it's so great to catch up with you. You're, you've got such a great mind, you work so well with, whether it's coaches or student athletes you're just always fantastic about it. You've got a great demeanor about you, so I can't recommend you enough to any family going through this recruiting process. Tell'em where they can find you if they want to follow you and learn more about you. Yeah, so I'm on the socials, right? I'm on Instagram, mostly at Coach Sue. 11. You can grab me there. You can find me on Facebook and CSA Coach Sue. But yeah, I think LinkedIn, if you're on, if you're the business side of the watchers, I'm on LinkedIn for under Sue Weber too. But I just think it's important to ask questions and use all your resources. This is a great resource. Your book's a great resource. Your club coach is a great resource. Don't, just don't just get blinders on and listen to one person, get a whole bunch of different opinions. That's great advice. Thank you for having the conversation. I miss talking to you and anything I can ever do for you, you got me. Just call. Yeah. Hop over the mountains. Come on over again. I know we're a lot closer than we used to be. Yeah, absolutely. Thanks, coach. Have a great start to the school year. Awesome. Thank you. That wraps up my conversation with Sue Weber. What I love about Sue is how she blends her experience as a division one player, a coach. And now, as someone working every day in the recruiting space, she understands both the athlete's perspective and the college coach's perspective, and that makes her advice so valuable for families. Make sure you're following her on Instagram at Coach Sue 11. And remember, you can always follow me at Coach Matt Rogers and don't miss her videos on YouTube and Facebook. She. Putting out outstanding content that can help you better understand and prepare for the recruiting journey. You can also connect with her on LinkedIn at Sue Weber. And as always, don't forget to grab your copy of the recruits journals now available for volleyball, baseball, basketball, and softball with the Soccer Recruits Journal coming later this week. They're designed to keep you focused, help your student athlete get organized and better understand their value and how to communicate with coaches, and it also just helps them prepare for. Every step of the recruiting process. I wrote the journals, so any family that wants to start the process, it takes you from the beginning and helps you all the way through the end. You can find all of my books and resources@coachmattrogers.com. If you haven't already hit that subscribe button, make sure you're sending these episodes in my blog to those families or friends or coaches who you think they might help. And I always appreciate your comments. Don't be afraid to leave me a note, even if it's something critical saying, Matt, I wish you'd do this better. I wish you'd have some guests like this on. I'd love to hear it. Anything I can do to help, I want to do it. Until next time, stay focused, stay humble, and stay in the fight.